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they've surrounded on three sides. you've still got one avenue of being able to lead warrant they get the go ahead. then they'll start moving in and i'll start to make arrest and chief, if somebody is a student on the campus or somebody's not a student on the campus and just come there in order to demonstrate, does that make a difference? >> what happens to them after they get arrested? >> no, not really many of the people there. >> no doubt our students, but they'll have all right, a few people that are non students that are there. so once they give the order to clear the campus then the police will begin to move in. i see they have left lethal munitions and so forth available. hopefully they do not have to use them again as of resort, they'll begin by trying to just physically move people

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physically, remove them, and take them to the transport vehicle. >> chief ramsey are present your time. nick watt as well. we'll continue following the story throughout the night. the news continues. the source with kaitlan collins starts now breaking news from the source tonight, brand new indictment against donald trump's close this is the allies, including mark meadows and rudy giuliani. now charged with conspiracy, fraud, and forgery in arizona, part of that fake electors plot to overturn the election. trump himself, though, an unindicted coconspirator my source tonight is mark meadows is onetime top aide and confidant turned witness against her former boss and donald trump, cassidy hutchinson. hutchinson is here hours or where the supreme court takes on the enormous question tomorrow, our president's above the law? also a major decision is still looming tonight for trump in that hush money case over former president be punished for his repeated apparent

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violations of that gag order. really the bigger question, how i'm kaitlan collins and this is the source we're going to get right to that breaking news tonight as former top aides, attorneys and allies all close to donald trump with that in common, have now just been charged in the state of arizona over their efforts in the phaco lecture scheme to help trump desperately tried to overturn the election that he lost and to keep himself in power. 11 people in all have been charged among them, rudy giuliani, former white house chief of staff, mark meadows, boris epshteyn, name you may not be familiar with. this is the first time he's been indicted, but also a former trump aid or i should know, it remains to this day, one of his closest top advisers, also pro-trump attorney john eastman, former trump campaign lawyer, jenna ellis, along with 2020 campaign official mike roman. donald trump himself. you don't see

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his picture there. he's an unindicted coconspirator. we are told this indictment includes charges ranging from conspiracy and forgery to engaging in fraudulent schemes this is arizona's attorney general, kris mayes, announcing these indictments tonight. >> the people of arizona elected president biden, unwilling to accept this fact. the defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency whatever their reasoning was, the plot to violate the law must be answered for an i was elected to uphold the law of the state let's get straight to, the source tonight with cassidy hutchinson, a former top aide to mark meadows, and now a frequent target of donald trump's after her explosive testimony before the january 6 committee. and cassie, it's great to have you here tonight. i should note we had already scheduled in an interview with you before this news broke this

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indictment that was just handed up in arizona, that it doesn't name your former boss because his name is redacted, but cnn has confirmed that mark meadows is one of the people who has been indicted here. i mean, this is now the second time he's been indicted. what do you make of this? >> caitlin it's indictment did two straps. i haven't had a lot of time to process it. i've said for a long time since the day that i decided to come forward and comply fully with the january 6 committee that i hoped mark already had been doing the right thing with the justice department and i've said every times been asked since and i believe this way that i wish that he would you know, i think it's unfortunate that at appears that there are still people not complying fully with their civic duty that they owed the american people oh, but i can't really say i'm overly surprised at this point either why why do you think you're not surprised? i think when looking

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back at the last few years, there have been a lot of people not just mark people in the former president's orbit some who have also been indicted, but people who we're also just complicit in their silence around things. and i think whether you are close to donald trump or you worked for donald trump, we all owe the american people the truth about donald trump. we owe them the opportunity to know who he actually is and it's not easy. i was very loyal to donald trump when i worked for him and it took me a long time to make that break der lot of consequences you have to weigh when you make the break with trump world but what i fear more is the deceit that donald trump will continue to perpetuate if more people don't stick up for the truth it must feel really surreal. just, i mean, you worked with mark meadows on the hill. i remember when i was covering the white house and you worked there you are kind of everywhere that he went, you were on air force one, you were in his office, you worked right

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outside of it it must know what really surreal to see him get indicted a second time. it's really sad i was really close with mark. i really believed in mark as a principle that's why i chose to take drop with the chief of staff so it's difficult to see him in this position. but i think on the greater scale to free look at how mr. trump has conducted himself through his business career and also his political career i almost relate it to bodies around him, but he takes out everybody who is loyal to him because it's all about his personal gain and what he can gain from those people. donald trump is inherently about himself. that's why america is in the position that it is today because he did not want to give up the presidency and now running again and he's been indicted in multiple jurisdictions. >> it reminds me of what bill barr told me. he was sitting in that same seat that you are now and he said, but trump kinda

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like leaves this path of carnage in his wake of people who sign up to go work for him and then end up with their names in an indictment. >> yeah. it's people go i would hope for the most part you go into public service to serve the american people. and it's incumbent upon all of us whether you're a public servants or its citizen of this country, to make sure that we're maintaining our democratic institutions donald trump does not show respect for our democratic institutions. in fact, i would argue he shows the exact opposite. he shows contempt or institutions but when you signed up to go into public service, that's not what you sign up to go into. and i think there are a lot of people who like myself who believe they're going there to do the right thing and to serve the american when people and they get caught up in something that's so much more dangerous and they actually anticipated. but i think there are some people that went in with their eyes wide open and unfortunately they knew and they feel that their loyalty is o to donald trump in this next election cycle, especially as we look ahead towards the

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supreme court arguments starting tomorrow, it's really important to stress that the american people were not given the truth about donald trump in 2016. and he one he almost wanted 2020 and he very welcome glenn again, if the american people do not are not made aware of who he actually is, do you think mark meadows is one of those people who went into it with his eyes wide open that he knew what he was getting into i can't i can't comment on that specifically. i can't crawl into the psyche if mark meadows at the time that i worked for him, i believe that he wanted to serve the american people i can't comment, especially now on how he sees his role participating in some investigations are not at all. >> and you haven't spoken to him in a long time? no not since january 20, 2021. wow. >> i mean, he has kinda downplayed his role and the fake electors scheme, which is

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what these former trump aides and those close to him, rudy giuliani, boris epshteyn, are getting indicted for here. what do you remember about what he was doing between when trump had clearly lost the election and up to january 6, mark was involved in almost everything he was feeding a lot of information to a lot of different people. so some days i felt that mark would acknowledge that mr.. had lost the 2020 election. mark had believed that himself but then there'd be other days while i was working from our where i sort of question my own belief& that because it seemed like he was also feeling the conspiracy theories and the lives surrounding the 2020 election now we have the power of hindsight. and thanks to a lot of the work done by the january 6 committee, and also what we have known for limited public releases from jack smith and his team it's a lot more

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intricate than even what i knew. i was privy to a lot with mark. i was not privy to everything so when i look at his role in the post-2020 election, he was involved in a lot, but he also knows a lot. he's a person that has critical information, i believe in every single investigation, he owes a to himself. he owes it to the american people and he owes it to the duty that he swore to defend and protect constitution to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth to every investigator. >> did you talk to investigators for this? >> i'm not going to comment on investigators. i may or may not have spoken with in the past but what i will say is moving forward i will comply fully with any cooperation they ask me. >> do you remember mark meadows ever saying that trump did lose the election in that time period, acknowledging that he, that he had lost. yeah. i mean, mark and i had conversations is early. i can't remember the exact date off the top of my

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head, but about potentially moving to florida with the former president mark was having meetings with people about a biden transition. so there were times that mark would seem to acknowledge these things. and it's consistent with the testimony that i've given to every investigative body that i've spoken with in the last couple of years, which was just a few. it's many at this point but then there'd be other days to that and some of it has been released, but he was texting back and forth with the team crazies about promoting these conspiracy theories. and he was putting this information in front of the president's two. so again, it's difficult it's hypothesize or speculate about what marc truly believed yeah. i'll i'll leave it at that. you read through this and there's all these names of arizona state officials, people who worked in the white house and the trump campaign that are indicted here in this elec fake electors scheme. >> the one person who's not, here. this is how we figured

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out that it was mark meadows is because it said he was unindicted coconspirator one chief of staff, unindicted coconspirator wanted is donald trump? i mean what do you make of the fact that rudy giuliani, mark meadows, boris epshteyn, christina bob. they're all indicted here. but donald trump is not yeah, i have not had time to read through it. >> it's a bit curious because this is the first indictment that has been brought trump is not, i guess michigan but yeah, he was indicted. george obviously. correct. along with everybody else i don't i don't know. i i don't i'm not sure on that one. >> you mentioned the supreme court, the hearing tomorrow on immunity. it's really remarkable because what trump is basically arguing is that he's covered because what he was doing to try to overturn the election, they argue were official acts i mean, when you look at that, his lawyers were say, he's just doing his job. but is that how you saw it when you are inside the white house

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that trump is fulfilling the duties of the president at that no from the moment that mr. biden now president biden was declared the winner. i felt strongly that he did win the election. he want it fairly and a lot of my former colleagues, i believe, also felt the same way i don't believe under any circ*mstances of president have the authority to thwart the results of a legitimate election go through multiple processes to try to skew the election in his favor. and as a last resort order, a mob to attack the foundation of our government because their ego is so wounded that they lost an election and they will not just admit defeat located on and we'll talk about leadership and the next election and the supreme court. and we tie all this together in communicating with the american people policy is important for who elect to the oval office but what i

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argue, especially in this next election cycle is the character of the individual matters far more than any policy that they may or may not implement. donald trump's character has an evident for very long time. but he's had a team of people around him who have really isolated him in this false identity of a strong man. and somebody that truly believes that they want the best for the american people. that's what he has action show those. he's not for the american people, he's for himself, he's willing to go to whatever & necessary to make sure that he is not put in prison like he is currently facing at the american people don't know the truth about him it's important at the supreme court acknowledges that he does not get to evade consequence and accountability for this. but it's also really important that we hold him accountable in the public court of public opinion as well. >> it's safe to say you're not going to be voting donald trump. >> my door is and has been completely shut to voting for

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donald trump in 2024. >> does that mean you'll consider voting for president biden i would absolutely consider voting for president biden. >> i would encourage other i would never tell americans how to vote, but i do know there are a lot of americans who currently are on the fence about who to vote for these are active conversations that we need to engage in over the next six, seven months but i would encourage people on that fence to really do a deep dive and look at the damage that donald trump has done to our democracy and what he would continue to do in a potential second trump term and to really weigh that when they're considering who to vote for and to tie all this together, the fake electors scheme trump running for office. again, the people that he's been considering for vice president, we've interviewed some of them and asked, would you do it? mike pence did. >> on january 6, several of them is dead. >> no. >> mean the solder republican party has been completely you served and taken advantage of by donald trump, and that's

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something that he has done somewhat accessible, yelled at him, credit words do. he's a very good liar, manipulator, and he has manipulated the entire are almost the entire republican party especially in congress right now to be the party of his image. and it's really unfortunate that we see a lot of individuals who i once regarded as nobilo state's men or the future of the republican party to disregard the rule of law and the constitution in the way that they are now cassidy hutchinson i want you to stick around. i would just have a few more questions for you on some really important issues, including what trump has been saying about you personally in recent weeks and months. we'll be back in just a moment, but much more of our one-on-one interview, the cassidy hutchinson freeze, dryness, breakage, new dove, ten and ones serum hair mask with peptide complex fortifies hairballs a molecular level helps reverse ten signs of damage in one minute keep living real key, preparing hey,

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decide and the emphasis has been he's just been attacking witnesses non-stop. and as someone who has been personally attacked by donald trump what's the impact that, that has on your life i mean, ensure its tremendous and it's something that i think we have to take really seriously and other witnesses coming forward have to take really seriously. >> i was really fortunate that when i made the decision to come forward and comply fully with the january 6 committee that i was surrounded by a team of lawyers and advisors that really insulated protected me. i knew what i was getting myself into when i left to trump world and regrettably, i knew that because i had once been part of that playbook i know how they attack the people who they feel most threatened by, and they will do whatever means necessary to take them down and ruin the reputation. and they're imaged in the name of promoting donald trump it's been difficult for me at points and i would be i wouldn't be honest with your viewers if i

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said otherwise, there i have hard de still but i think about other witnesses like ruby freeman& j moss, whose lives are up during the 2020 election think about rusty bowers. i think about brian butler, who courageously came forward with you a couple of weeks ago, and he was interviewed in the mar-a-lago case, worked for trump at mar-a-lago. he came forward now because he believes that the information that he has is really important for the american people to know and understand that takes courage because you do know that there are going to be negative impacts on your security situation. your potential future job prospects, people coming after you publicly but also for your family. and that's it i think about people like that who don't have the resources or they don't have the ability to protect themselves when we talk about donald trump's, how he's completely devoid of any leadership quality that right there tells you who donald trump is. he wages attacks on

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the american people. >> i'm sorry. glad you brought up brian butler because he's the former mar-a-lago employee who is now a witness in the classified documents investigation kind of similar to lobby will work for trump and then wind up in these investigations. >> and we asked about the impact that that coming forward has and this is what he told us about his concerns why are you speaking out publicly with your story now instead of just waiting for it to just come out, i think it's better that i get to at least say what happened, then it coming out in the news people call him, he looked crazy. i'd rather just get it out there and the hope is, at least i can move on with my life and get over this i mean, he he kinda felt similar to how you do. i have goosebumps to me. i remember watching the interview the night that had aired& yeah, it takes at this point that it takes a lot to get me a very emotional about some of the shortcomings of trump broad enough just because i have this point, i expect a lot of it but

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seeing him speak with you, so candidly and openly about what he's gone through. wow, his decision process played out. but also how it was a difficult one, you know, he did turn away from his friends in order to do the right thing. i hold him in really high regard and i think that he's extremely greatest for doing what he did and i think the american people owe them a thank you for that. >> yeah he's lost friends over this someone a coconspirator of trump's co-defendant is was one of his best friends. >> when you look at all of this and is the judge in new york is deciding how to respond to trump's alleged violations of the gag order is there anything that would hold him accountable for his attacks on these witnesses and even commenting on the jury i would like to say yes, but donald trump is going to leverage whatever the judge decides and use it as an opportunity to make himself a martyr in this situation, he's going to try to continue in my

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view, stealing money from hardworking american people by fundraising off of this by lying to them and by spreading conspiracy theories by playing on their greatest anxieties and fears. so he can win again. and so he can stay in power and potentially not having to go to prison for the rest of his life because that's the reality of what he's facing but when we talk about how to adequately handle this, it's really difficult. eight, i think sometimes sending him to prison is the right thing can you really limit his speech? i can't comment on the nuances of all of that i think the greatest stride that we can take towards hold him accountable though, is in this next election cycle, making sure that he never gets near the oval office again. but in the process of leading up to that, really talking to the american people, but who he actually is. >> he said that he questioned, i should say whether you should be prosecuted because of secret service agent who could not corroborate your testimony of

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something that you said you were told by the white house deputy chief of operations at the time, tony or an auto and he's gone after you publicly as you've spoken out bravely i wonder if seeing him attack these other witnesses right now is this case is going on? how does that make you feel about potentially having to be a witness and a trump trial one day it depends on the de some days i feel like i've gone through the worst and i i know what to expect this point, but then a day will happen where you realize that probably get worse. >> i try not to lament too much on hypotheticals of what could or could not happen. i would expect i can't say definitively, but i would expect at some point if these investigations continue to be called as a witness. and again, i would comply fully, willingly and faithfully because i believe that's my duty as an american citizen but in saying that to what i fear more than

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his attacks on me is what would happen if i didn't continue to speak the truth i don't love being a public figure all the time it is difficult and not only because of trump, but just managing what is coming from him and his allies and supporters. and you're 20 i should correct. but i also think when we look at america, we rely on public servants and the american people to uphold our institutions in our constitution what scares me more is the fact that this could potentially be the final election of our american democracy, as we know it, if he's reelected cassidy hutchinson. >> thank you for joining me tonight. you for having me back, caitlin. >> thank you much more on our breaking news ahead as rudy giuliani, mark meadows, and other former trump aides and attorneys, all just indicted and arizona for their roles and the fake electors plot to

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6:32 pm >> as easy as 123. >> live from the nation's capital. one of the most unforgettable nights in dc. >> there's water will read back here again, president biden and comedian collin joseph headlined the white house correspondents dinner live saturday at seven eastern on cnn back with more breaking news tonight. as you can see, tense protests are happening at the university of southern california right now, one of several universities that we have seen in recent days across the country flaring with anger over the israel-hamas war and gaza sentence. nick watt is

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live on the ground covering it. all. nick, what is the latest that you're seeing live on the ground well caitlin what you were seeing from the camera that i'm standing right next to our the first arrests these protesters have been here since for 30 this morning. >> they set up tents. those tents were taken down earlier. they have been chanting, there have been talking, they have been protesting all day. the police about an hour ago gave them a warning that if they stayed on alumni park, which is this area of grossen, i'm standing on right now where commencement will be happening in a couple of weeks, the protesters were told if they stayed, they would be arrested and liable for criminal trespass. the police then fans that they were fans along three sides of this park, allowing people who wanted to leave the chance to leave a lot of people did leave the dave, if you pan around, you'd see that's one more person being arrested dave, if you pan around, we can actually show the kind of not of protesters right in the

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middle who stayed. >> those people stayed, they linked arms, some of them put helmets and safety goggles on. many of them put on masks to disguise their identity. they were determined you stay and be arrested for this course does he have to say no, he doesn't. now, earlier today there was a bit of a scuffle when the tents were taken down by campus police, the campus then asked the lapd who come in and assist them. the campus the college officials also closed the gates only people with u usc id were allowed onto the campus because a lot of outside agitators have come on to join this protest. the college was trying to keep it small, trying to keep it contained. they failed. it got big bigger as the day at on and now you're seeing the results. young people and others from the city of los angeles being arrested. they say their demands have not been met there

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are demands are similar to those on college campuses around the country at columbia and elsewhere. they are doing this in solidarity they are being arrested caitlin. >> do we know if they're all students or is it is it clear from what you've seen on the ground it's pretty clear that some are students, others definitely are known. >> i noticed on social media this morning, other anarchist and other groups in los angeles appealing for people to come to this protest today, the other kind of underlying issue here is there was the valedictorian at usc, a young muslim woman of indian origin was supposed to be giving a speech at that commencement on this very grand she was then disinvited because of some links from our social media two sites about palestine that were very critical, very offensive to jews. so that's another layer that is added on here at usc. as you see there, another arrest. many people with their faces covered. one

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more arrest, kaitlan yeah. >> we've seen three arrests happening just while you were speaking there. there's a fourth right there. nick, what we'll continue to check in with you as you are monitoring this active situation at usc, we're also breaking down our other big news tonight as arizona just became the second state where we're learning donald trump is an unindicted coconspirator and a fake electors scheme we learned that he's in the exact same situation as he was in a case in michigan during a pretrial hearing today, we have our legal sources tonight, a trio of former federal prosecutors, elie honig, cnn's senior legal analyst, and also assistant us attorney for the southern district of new york. elliot williams, a cnn legal analyst, and once deputy assistant attorney general for alleged affairs shan wu, now a defense attorney, was once counsel to the attorney general le is we're looking through this donald trump's name isn't in here, or it's redacted, but he's the unindicted coconspirator. number one, why is everyone else indicted? not donald trump. it's a great question. the reason why prosecutors typically less

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someone who isn't but it coats conspirator rather than a defendant is either you don't have enough evidence to actually invite that person or for other reasons, for other sort of discretionary reasons, you don't think it's worth to bring an indictment and i think that's a fair question as i want to maintain a degree of healthy skepticism as to these fake elector indictments that we've seen. because if you look across the country, there's not much rhyme or reason. they're literally all over the map. we have seven states where there were fake electors. we've now seen indictments in four, but nobody charged and the other three some of the states have indicted all the fake electors. others have picked and choose georgia indicted some, but not other fake electors. donald trump is indicted in georgia for his involvement. the fake electors scheme, but he's not mentioned at all. and the other states, but then he's mentioned as an unindicted coconspirator in this one, and there's not been a substantial conviction in any of these cases. there's not been a trial conviction. there's not been a felony guilty plea, so i'm going to maintain a healthy degree of skepticism entices machel results on these cases, but could not just be because each state is doing their own,

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their own investigation there on day it's different attorneys general that are looking into this. yeah. and i mean, your point i mean, i'd have a lot more skepticism with the cookie cutter indictments in all done exactly the same thing. i do think it has a lot to do with how the offices are proceeding what kind of degrees of cooperation? they got someone like chesebro, for example, might have started out not too helpful and then began to move down the spectrum is also not named in this, but it was described as one of the chief architects of the january 6 plot, right? >> who has some credibility problems because he's basically perjured himself on a couple of times telling one grand jury that this was a contingent plan then admitting and emil email was not contingent. so there are all sorts of factors that could go into the way that they're coming out time-wise on it. >> there are some new names that have not been indicted before. one, boris epstein, that's notable. he's a top aide to donald trump right now. you often see him accompanying donald trump when he goes to court or when he's out on the campaign trail, also, christina bob, maybe not a household

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name, but she was the attorney who was dealt at mar-a-lago signing a document saying yes, tomorrow, knowledge, all the documents have been turned over to the federal government, which obviously they had not that she's not charge for that here, but she is charged in the fake electors. >> and i think picking up on ellie's point from a little bit earlier, what's notable is that even though state law as are going to vary from state to state, state election laws and how different attorneys general we're going to proceed. the evidence is largely going to be the same and most of these states, the same people play the same roles across whether it was our arizona, georgia, nevada and elsewhere. and so it is a little bit curious as to why christina bob is charged here, but not elsewhere. now obviously, to shams point, there may be different levels of cooperation among other witnesses and so on. but it is interesting because it's the same conduct nationwide. why charged in some places, but not others? >> yeah. >> there's so much legal news happening. we were waiting on the supreme court hearing tomorrow on whether donald trump has immunity. we're also waiting for corn to resume at the bretton, the same in time tomorrow in new york. the judge

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there has not yet ruled on whether donald trump violated his gag order. why not? i don't know what he's waiting for and he met a rule before tomorrow. i mean this is an issue where time matters. donald trump is violating this gag order almost on a rolling real-time basis. and the longer the judge takes, the more time he allows for these ongoing violation so i do think we're guessing here, but i do think we're going to get a ruling right at the open of the trial day tomorrow. i think it's going to be a stern reprimand of donald trump. >> it's not it's not even just about the gag. >> well, it's not talking anymore. >> but his gag order to really get it. >> just me. it's not even just about the jaguar, it's mainly tanning, order and discipline in the court. the judges in control of his domain. there and ada issues something just to remind all of the parties who's in charge there. and i think he's led a twist out there in the wind a bit well, i think he is a pretty stern in control, judge, and i think if are his walk work, i've been saying which you have to think about here is what kind of a warning shot can you shoot and i think there's going to be a lecture that all of these

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ban in a case that could determine whether emergency rooms and over a dozen states can provide abortions to pregnant women who are facing medical emergencies right now, see idaho's near-total ban only as exceptions for reported cases of rape or incest or the mother is on the brink of death. the biden administration is arguing today that it's a standard of care that has devastating consequences. >> today, doctors in idaho and the women in idaho, or in an impossible position if a woman comes to an emergency room facing a grave threat to her health, but she isn't yet facing death doctors either have to delay treatment and allow her condition to material to materially deteriorate or they're airlifting her out of the state so she can get them emergency care that she needs based on what we heard it today, the court appears divided on that argument that you've heard just there, but chief justice john roberts and justice amy coney barrett also had some tough questions for idaho's attorney who was making their case, josh turner.

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>> those too conservative justices, of course, will be key in how this is decided. at one point, just this barrett's in pretty frustrated that idaho's attorney hedged as she said, on whether or not his state's law allows doctors to exercise their own judgment i'm kind of shocked actually, because i thought your own expert had said below that these kinds of cases were covered and you're now saying they're not no, i'm not saying that that's just my point, your honors. we are hedging of injustice. sotomayor is asking you, would this be covered or not, and it was my understanding that the legislature's witnesses said that these would be covered. >> yeah. those dr.. said if they were exercised seeing their medical judgment, they could in good faith determined that life-saving care was necessary. and what if the prosecutor thought differently? what if the prosecutor thought, well, i don't think any good faith doc turca draw that conclusion. i'm going to put on my expert that your honor, is the nature of prosecutorial discretion are source tonight, democratic governor of massachusetts, maher haley,

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governor, he loses at the forefront of a fight for abortion access and her state and also an official surrogate for president biden's 2024 campaign. hey, governor, how do you think that the biden administration made its case in court today well, i think the biden administration did a terrific job of just laying bare what's really going on here and what's really going on here? >> caitlin, is that one and three women in america today live within the border portion ban. why did this happen? why do 20 states and counting ban abortion are nearly ban abortion. >> it's because of donald trump donald trump created that court he brags about overturning roe and since that dobbs decision, we've seen state after state legislature enact draconian extremist bans. >> donald trump created this. he did this. he owns this. >> and what we know from today is a donald trump is also responsible for women been having to be airlifted out of

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the state of idaho because they have been forced to the brink of death and life altering medical conditions because of a draconian ban. >> this is donald trump. and as we face november, the stakes could not be more clear anyone who cares about that, anyone who's heart goes out to women who, by the way, some of them are even forced to endure conditions that are going to put them at risk of ever being able to have a baby in the future? anyone who cares about this needs to go out and work hard and vote and work to elect joe biden is one of the liberal justices noted it's not a hypothetical. i think it was six women in idaho who had recently had to be airlifted out to get that care. the lawyer who's representing idaho, josh turner, he claimed that this federal a law would allow emergency rooms to provide abortions for women who are depressed experiencing depression or other mental health issues. >> i wonder what you made of

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that argument from idaho's attorney i mean, look, i also speak as a former attorney general to time attorney general eight years. >> i served as attorney general in massachusetts and i can talk to you about judges. i can talk to me at courts. i can tell you that the real judges are going to be the people who care about this issue, women and men who care about ensuring that women have access to needed health care including abortion. and that's why people need to understand that it's donald trump who wants to punish women. joe biden wants to protect them and ensure access to abortion. donald trump wants to jail doctors joe biden wants to, protect them and that's what at stake. it's also worth noting because i've talked to my colleagues and other states and you look, caitlin at what's happening in arizona, in idaho, in donald trump's home state of florida, which is going to have a ban in place that will ban abortion before a woman even know she's pregnant. okay. >> it's having a chilling

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effect on doctors and providers right now who don't want to be jailed, who don't want to be prosecuted, who want to provide care and fulfill their hippocratic oath, but are understandably concerned about consequences given that what you said, it's take on the ballot what is there anything you want to see president biden do unilaterally, their executive power from the oval office i want him to continue to do exactly what he has been doing, which is to talk about the importance of ensuring access to abortion, ensuring that women have access to needed health care. >> being clear, as he was in court today, that this is serious. what's happened to women or round this country? what's happening to provide letters because of donald trump is just wrong. it's wrong under the law, and it's also wrong in terms of what is happening out there. and i for one, i'll tell you. i will make sure here in massachusetts and i know i will be joined by colleagues

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and making sure that we will always protect patients and providers there's an accessing needed abortion governor mara healy, powerful voice on this issue. >> thank you for your time thank you. >> good to be with you, caitlin a key part of trump's defense and his new york criminal case. and the words of his own attorney is that president trump fought back against allegations of affairs to quote, protect his family, his reputation, and his brand. if this is about protecting his family, it only makes their absence from the courtroom especially that that of his wife, melania, the former first lady all the more noticeable, very few reporters are as well sourced on all of this as our next guest, she is the author of free melania, the unauthorized biography and also former cnn white house correspondent, katy bennett. we are so glad to have you back are you surprised that the trump family is not rallying around? newman's showing up for his court appearances. >> so i'm not surprised about melania trump not showing up because she typically never

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does. right? we don't see her in his public times of wo standing by his side like most political spouses do that sort of iconic image of the wife holding hands after some humiliating experience. but am a little surprised that we don't see donald trump jr. or eric trump or ivanka trump who was so prominent in the former president's life before you're not seeing him flanked by his children as he walks into court. they're not sitting there every day. they're really not even sort of actively social media championing their father so that is a little unusual, especially considering as you just said this is a case that they the defense's is pinning on protecting family. >> yeah. a bucket trump the other day was pushing on earth de i noticed 12 while he was in court. >> but on what we're about to hear on the witness stand, we're hearing from david pecker right now, but we know that we expect stormy daniels and karen mcdougal to get up there potentially. >> i just remind everyone what karen mcdougal has said about her alleged affair with donald trump when i got what ham

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actually, there was a there was a real relationship there, there was real if they were real feelings between the two of us, not just myself, not just him. >> there was a rare relationship. there. were you in love with him? >> i want to and do you think he was in love with you? >> he was. yeah did don't trump ever say to you that he loved you all the time? i still me he loved me no. >> i don't maybe this is not a question, but is monitor angry are about stormy daniels or karen mcdougal? >> well, this is something i reported on back in the de for cnn and she's far more concerned, an emotional about karen mcdougal cool. because mostly of the things that she just said there to anderson cooper she was in her home, right? she don't jump took her to their their private personal home and he also according to karen mcdougal, said the elward's said that he loved are and that they loved each other. i think for millennia, john,

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that's far more not only emotionally painful, but sort of humiliating, right to, you know, that's one thing to have a one night stand and that's also humiliating. i'm not going to go there, but but it is far more challenging emotionally for her to have someone who's saying that they were in an emotional relationship with her husband, you said it's not unusual to not seem lani a ton, you know, she never had this traditional first lady role, but what do you make of her absence from the campaign trail? kinda how she's looking at this ron for the white house again. >> well, i mean, i love to everyone said last this week when she appeared at the one fundraiser for the log cabin republicans at mar-a-lago. does this her re-entry? she walked downstairs. right? she was in a tv mar-a-lago, so it's not like she's making a big return it's much like her 2020 appearances, which were basically nothing. i think she did one solo campaign appearance right before the election and 2016, which she kinda dip your toe in and it didn't really wasn't really her jam and she kind of felt

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uncomfortable. so i don't think we're going to see her again this time round, although she's needed, i would say she would help humanize and get those undecided maybe on her husband side, but i think it's again, the case of the messimania. fascinating cave in at great to have you back. >> thank you you'd studio again. >> thank you all so much for joining us tonight. >> see in a news night with abby, phillip starts right after a quick break if, you have this consider adding this an aarp, medicare supplement insurance plan from unitedhealthcare. >> medicare supplement plans help by paying some of what medicare does it. and let you see any doctor, any specialist anywhere in the us? accept medicare patients. so if you have this consider adding this call unitedhealthcare today for your free decision guide what impacts hugh every day? >> there is one book that

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